City Council – October 30, 2019 – Part 1


» MEMBERS OF COUNCIL IF YOU
COULD PLEASE TAKE YOUR SEATS. THIS MEETING IS NOW RESUMED.
MEMBERS PLEASE RISE FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE. AND DURING THIS
TIME PLEASE REMEMBER THOMAS J. MCMILLAN. THANK YOU. MEMBERS, WE HAVE 2 PRESENTATIONS
THIS MORNING. THE FIRST IS TO RECOGNIZE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF
CORPORATE FINANCE ON HIS RETIREMENT FROM THE CITY. I
WOULD LIKE TO CALL UPON CHRIS MURRAY CITY MANAGER TO COME
FORWARD FOR THE PRESENTATION. » THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM
SPEAKER. AND THANK YOU ALL FOR JOINING US TODAY TO COMMEMORATE
THE CAREER OF JOE — I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT BOTH ALY AND
CONNOR JOE’S CHILDREN ARE IN THE AUDIENCE. A PROUD MOMENT FOR
YOUR DAD. [APPLAUSE] . AS ALL OF YOU KNOW PUBLIC
SERVICE IS INCREDIBLY SPECIAL THING. SO TO HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY TO COMMEMORATE A FANTASTIC CAREER IS SUCH AN
HONOR FOR ME. JOE HAS DEDICATE THE LAST 29 YEARS TO TORONTO
PUBLIC SERVICE AND GOES WITHOUT SAYING — HAVE BEEN NUMEROUS.
I’M HAPPY TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUBLICALLY
RECOGNIZE YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS JOE ON BEHALF OF THE SENIOR LIP TEAM
AND COLLEAGUES. JOE HAS BEEN FRONT AND CENTER. THIS INCLUDES LEADING
DEVELOPMENT OF RATES FOR WATER USAGE, 9% OVER 9 YEARS, JOE. I
SAY NO MORE. THE CREATION OF TORONTO’S INVESTMENT BOARD, THE
CREATION OF CANADA’S LARGEST MUNICIPAL GREEN BOND PROGRAM.
ON REVENUE TOOLS HE OVERSAW THE MUNICIPAL LAND TRANSFER TAX. JOE IS ALSO PART OF THE
NEGOTIATING TEAM FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF BMO FIELD, THE
TRAINING FACILITY. SO I GUESS WE CAN ATTRIBUTE THE WORLD
CHAMPIONSHIP TO YOU. ON THE TRANSIT FILE JOE HAS BEEN AND
CONTINUES TO BE A VALID CONTRIBUTOR AND ADVISOR. HE IS
INSTRUMENTAL IN THE ACQUISITION OF UNION STATION AND HIS INPUT
HELPED SECURE APPROVAL. AND MOST RECENTLY JOE HAS PROVIDED
VALUABLE INSIGHT ON THE TRANSIT REPORT WITH THE PROVINCE WHICH
WE APPROVED YESTERDAY. JOE, YOU’LL LEAVE A LEGACY YOU SHOULD
BE PROUD OF AND YOUR CHILDREN SHOULD BE PROUD OF, ONE THAT’S
ALWAYS PUT TORONTO AND ITS RESIDENTS FIRST. WE OFFER OUR
BEST WISHES TO YOU AS YOU ENTER THE NEXT CHAPTER OF YOUR LIFE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE MAYOR TORY TO
PRESENT A MOMENTO OF APPRECIATION FOR JOE’S
CONTRIBUTION TO TORONTO’S PUBLIC SERVICE.
» [APPLAUSE]. » WELL, CHRIS, THANK YOU. AND
JOE, I’VE ONLY BEEN HERE FOR FIVE YEARS, BUT YOU HAVE SERVED
FOR 29, AND I CERTAINLY HAD A CHANCE TO SEE IN THOSE FIVE
YEARS A NUMBER OF THINGS. SOME OF THE PROJECTS I WON’T REPEAT
THEM ALL THAT CHRIS MENTIONED THAT SOME OF WHICH TOOK PLACE
BEFORE I WAS HERE AND SOME NOT. AND I DID LEARN BECAUSE I WAS
TAUGHT MY ALL MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES WHEN PEOPLE WOULD
MENTION THE WATER RATES GO UP 9% THEY SAID TO CALL YOU. IF YOU
THINK ABOUT WHAT A RESPONSIBLE THING THAT WAS TO DO AND HOW
MUCH IT’S PUT US IN A GOOD POSITION TODAY IN TERMS OF THE
WATER STRUCTURE AND THE PRINCIPLE OF HAVING THAT
PARTICULAR OBVIOUSLY VITAL SERVICE PAY FOR ITSELF AND BE
WELL FINANCED ON A SUSTAINABLE BASIS GOING FORWARD, IT WAS A
VERY IMPORTANT INITIATIVE. I SHOULD SAY, AND I THINK CHRIS
MENTIONED THIS, I’M NOT SURE, IF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE FIRST
DEVELOPMENT CHARGE BYLAW AS WELL. I CAN TELL YOU HAVING
BEEN THROUGH A COUPLE OF SORT OF THE SETTINGS OF THE DEVELOPMENT
CHARGES THAT YOU WERE THERE A FORCE TO BE RECKONED WITH.
AND ISN’T THAT THE WAY THAT PUBLIC SERVICE IS SUPPOSED TO
WORK WE’RE GETTING OUR PROFESSIONAL ADVISERS GIVE US A
WAY YET RESPECTFUL AND PROFESSIONAL THEIR BEST ADVICE
AND SOMETIMES TO PUSH BACK AGAINST OUR INCLINATION TO DO
THINGS DIFFERENTLY. IN THAT INSTANCE THE MOST RECENT
NEGOTIATION IN THE CONTEXT OF THE BUDGET THAT I GUESS YOU
HELPED TO SEE US THROUGH AND WE WERE BETWEEN CHIEF FINANCIAL
OFFICERS AND ON THE TRANSIT TALKS AS I UNDERSTAND, YOU HAVE
PLAYED THAT ROLE ALWAYS THE SAME WAY, PROFESSIONAL, YOU KNOW, YOU
ARE ROOTED IN YOUR CONVICTIONS TO WHAT THE RIGHT THING TO DO
WAS AND GAVE US ADVICE ACCORDINGLY.
I WANT TO MAKE MENTION OF THE GREEN BONDS, I WAS VERY PROUD,
BUT YOU KNOW, WE ACTUALLY ARE DOING MUCH BETTER IN THAT REGARD
AS A MUNICIPALITY THAN ALMOST ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD. AND
THAT, AGAIN, I KNOW YOU’D BE THE FIRST TO SAY IT’S A TEAM BUT
THAT, AGAIN HAS BEEN A TESTAMENT TO YOUR LEADERSHIP THAT WE HAVE
MOVED INTO GREEN BONDS AND FINANCING IN A WAY THAT I THINK
MAKES THE CITY PROUD. I CONFER WHAT CHRIS SAID YOU CERTAINLY AS
A RESULT OF HELPED MAKE THE RAPTORS PRACTICE FACILITY A
REALITY YOU CAN CLAIM MORE THAN THE REST OF US FOR THE FACT THAT
WE WON THE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP. THE OTHER DAY I WAS AT A MEETING
I ASKED ABOUT IT I SAID IS THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENING BECAUSE THEY
WERE TALKING ABOUT THE COUNCIL MEETING AND YOU HEAR ABOUT THESE
RETIREMENTS. YOU LOOK AT PEOPLE WHO SEEM VERY YOUNG AND TOTALLY
WITH IT IN TERMS OF THEIR PROFESSIONAL CAPACITIES GETTING
BETTER BY THE DAY AND SORT OF SAY, YOU KNOW, WHY ARE THEY
RETIRING, BUT IT IS A — GREAT THAT YOU’VE MADE THIS DECISION
TO — TO TAKE THE NEXT CHAPTER IN YOUR LIFE. I’M SURE YOUR
FAMILY’S GOING TO BE EXCITED TO HAVE MORE OF YOUR TIME. I
WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR A JOB EXTREMELY WELL DONE,
EXTREMELY PROFESSIONALLY DONE WITH CONVICTION AND, YOU KNOW,
WE DON’T — THIS IS — THIS IS WHAT IT IS WHICH IS VERY
MEANINGFUL ON THE ONE HAND IN THAT IT COMES FROM THE COUNCIL
BUT WE DON’T HAVE A NEW CAR, BUT I HOPE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND
THAT THIS COMES WITH OUR GREAT AFFECTION AND ESTEEM AND
GRATITUDE FOR A JOB VERY WELL DONE.
» THANK YOU. » [APPLAUSE]. » YES, YES. I HAVE TO TELL YOU
IT FEEL GREAT STANDING UP HERE NOT HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT
QUESTIONS ESPECIALLY FROM COUNCILLOR PERKS. SO, MR. MAYOR, AND CHRIS, THANK
YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR KIND WORDS AND THE ACKNOWLEDGMENT. THEY
TRULY MEAN A GREAT DEAL TO ME. SO MADAM SPEAKER, IT GOES
WITHOUT SAYING THAT NONE OF MY CAREER ACCOMPLISHMENTS WOULD
HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE WITHOUT THE TALENTS AND DEDICATION AND
SUPPORT OF SO MANY COLLEAGUES. AND WITH YOUR INDULGENCE I WOULD
JUST LIKE TO TAKE A MINUTE TO RECOGNIZE THEM.
THEY’RE MY MANAGEMENT TEAM FROM CORPORATE FINANCE, THEY INCLUDE
JEFF. JEFF IS OUR DIRECTOR OF RISK MANAGEMENT AND INSURANCE
AND HIS GROUP OVERSEES SOME 6,000 CLAIMS BELIEVE IT OR NOT
ANNUALLY AGAINST THE CITY. THEY DO THAT WHAT GREAT DEAL OF
PROFESSIONALISM AND TACT IN RESOLVING THEM. — THEY LEAD OUR CAPITAL MARKET
SECTION TOGETHER WITH THE TORONTO INVESTMENT BOARD THEY
INVEST SOME $7 BILLION OF CITY’S SETS IN THE CAPITAL MARKETS. AND MY RIGHT HAND ROB WHO IS OUR
DIRECTOR OF STRATEGIC INITIATIVES AND
INTERGOVERNMENTAL POLICY. ROB SORT OF DEALS WITH WHAT WE
PUBLIC FINANCE CALL VERY, VERY SEXY PROJECTS INCLUDE REVENUE
TOOLS AND DEVELOPMENT CHARGES AND THE LIKE. I’M TRULY
THANKFUL FOR ALL OF YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS AND YOUR SUPPORT
TO ME OVER THE YEARS. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK 3 KEY
COLLEAGUES THAT I HAVE THE GREATEST OF RESPECT FOR OUR CITY
SOLICITOR FOR HER THOUGHTFUL AND ADVICE OVER THE YEARS THAT HAVE
KEPT ME OUT OF TROUBLE. JOSEY — WE DIDN’T OFTEN AGREE
ON MANY THINGS, BUT —
» [LAUGHTER]. » BUT I COULD TELL YOU THAT
NOBODY COULD QUESTION HER PASSION FOR PUBLIC SERVICE AND
HER MUNICIPAL FINANCE EXPERTISE. AND CERTAINLY LAST BUT NOT LEAST JULIANNA, JULIANNA HAS BEEN A
COLLEAGUE OF MINE FOR SOME 25 YEARS SHE TRULY EMBODIES ALL OF
THE GREAT ATTRIBUTES OF A TORONTO PUBLIC SERVANT. I FEEL
FORTUNATE, TO SEE US GO FROM 7 SEPARATE ENTITIES TO ONE UNIFIED
CITY IN 1998, TO SEE US MATURE OVER THE PAST 2 DECADES FROM A
LOWER 2-TIER MUNICIPALITY TO A MATURE ORDER OF GOVERNMENT THAT
IS LARGER THAN MANY PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENTS. WE’VE GONE FROM A
PERIOD OF HAVING TO GO HAT IN HAND TO
QUEENS PARK FOR HELP TO CLOSE BUDGET GAPS, TO A PERIOD OF TEN
CONSECUTIVE HEALTHY BUDGET SURPLUSES. WE HAVE ROBUST AND
TRUY RE SILL ANALITY ECONOMY, A CREDIT RATING THAT’S JUST A
NOTCH BELOW AAA. —
AFFORDABLE HOUSING BY THE OTHER ORDERS OF GOVERNMENT THE LIKES
OF WHAT WE SAW YESTERDAY AND PERHAPS A FUTURE THAT SEES US ACCESS SOME PROGRESSIVE TAXES, I
THINK WE’LL BE WELL ON OUR WAY TO A IF IS SAL SUSTAINABILITY
AND PERHAPS A GREATER SOCIAL EQUITY. MR. MAYOR, IT’S BEEN AN
ABSOLUTE PRIVILEGE TO SERVE AS A MEMBER OF THE TORONTO PUBLIC
SERVICE AND A PLEASURE TO WORK WITH YOU IN YOUR OFFICE FOR THE
PAST 5 YEARS. THIS PLACE IS LIKE A SECOND HOME TO ME, AND I
WILL ALWAYS LOOK UPON IT AND YOU MEMBERS OF COUNCIL WITH GREAT
FONDNESS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. » [APPLAUSE]. » THANK YOU OR SECOND
PRESENTATION IS TO RECOGNIZE THE TORONTO WOLFPACK TEAM. I WOULD
LIKE TO CALL MAYOR TORY FOR THE PRESENTATION.
» THANK YOU, SPEAKER. I’M SO SORRY THAT — I’M SO SORRY THAT COUNCILLOR
ROBINSON, FOR MANY REASONS THAT COUNCILLOR ROBINSON ISN’T ABLE
TO BE WITH US TODAY. I MENTIONED THAT BECAUSE SHE
CONVINCED ME AND TOOK SOME CONVINCING TO GO TO A NEWS
CONFERENCE PROBABLY ABOUT 4 YEARS AGO. AND IT WAS A NEWS
CONFERENCE TO ANNOUNCE AN — SORT OF FAR FETCHED IN A WAY —
GOOD MORNING. » [LAUGHTER]. » YEAH, THERE’S A LOT OF
CHARACTERS LIKE YOU AROUND HERE. THE MOTION THAT WAS FAIRLY FAR
FETCHED WAS THAT TORONTO WAS GOING TO HAVE A PROFESSIONAL
RUGBY TEAM BUT IT WAS GOING TO PLAY SOME OF ITS HOME GAMES
OVERSEAS. THE TEAMS WERE GOING TO COME FROM OVERSEAS TO PLAY
HERE. IT WAS ONE OF THE THOSE THINGS YOU THOUGHT TO YOURSELF
HOW ARE THEY GOING TO MAKE THAT WORK. AND THE BOTTOM LINE IS NOT ONLY
HAVE THEY MADE IT WORK, THEY’VE MADE IT WORK IN TWO WAYS THAT I
WOULDN’T HAVE THOUGHT POSSIBLE, THE ONE THAT YOU THOUGHT OF AS A
REAL POSSIBILITY BUT NOT A SURE THING BY ANY MEANS IS THERE
WOULD BE THE FAN SUPPORT. WHAT’S HAPPENED IS I’VE HAD A
CHANCE TO GO TO THE GAMES I KNOW COUNCILLOR GRIMES, YOU KNOW, GETS — IS A
VERY LOYAL SUPPORTER BUT IT IS MORE FUN I CAN TELL YOU FOR
THOSE WHO HAVEN’T HAD A CHANCE TO GO, I THINK IT’S NEW AND
APPEALS TO SORT OF A GRASS-ROOTS GROUP OF SPORTS FANS, IT’S
TREMENDOUSLY WELL SUPPORTED AND THE GAMES ARE GREAT FUN. AND
LAST GAME THE ONE THAT THEY WON TO MOVE THEM UP INTO THE SUPER
LEAGUE JUST A COUPLE WEEKS AGO THE PLACE WAS FULL, 9,950 PEOPLE
OR SOMETHING, WASN’T A SEAT TO BE HAD. THAT’S SOMETHING I
THOUGHT WASN’T LIKELY ALL THAT POSSIBLE, BUT THE OTHER THING
THAT YOU THOUGHT WASN’T NECESSARILY POSSIBLE FOR A TEAM
BASED HERE AND PLAYING IN THE CIRCUMSTANCES IT WAS PLAYING
BACK AND FORTH OVERSEAS AND SO ON WAS THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE
TO BE A WINNER. WITH MOST TEAMS IT TAKES YEARS BEFORE THEY’RE
ABLE TO BE CONTENDERS, AND THIS TEAM WAS ALMOST A CONTENDER FROM
DAY ONE AND DONE PARTICULARLY WELL THE LAST 2 YEARS. I JUST
THINK IN THAT REGARD IT IS WORTHY OF RECOGNITION THAT THEY
HAD WIN A COUPLE WEEKS AGO 24-6 IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP GRAND FINAL.
AND THIS EARNS THEM A SPOT IN THE PREMIERE RUGBY LEAGUE. I
CAN TELL YOU THAT PEOPLE WERE AWARE OF THAT OVER THERE, IT’S
ON THE BBC ON THE SPORTS, THAT’S AGAIN, GOOD FOR THE TORONTO NAME
BECAUSE IT HAS OUR NAME OUT THERE IN A DIFFERENT CONTEXT
TALKING ABOUT RUGBY. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT WE’RE VERY
PROUD OF YOU, THE TEAM. AND I WANT TO JUST MENTION A COUPLE OF
KEY PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN REALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS. I DIDN’T
KNOW HIM ALTHOUGH I MET HIM. I HAD A CHANCE TO BE WITH
COUNCILLOR GRIMES DOWN ON THE FIELD AFTER THE GAME. WHEN YOU
COME UP AGAINST THESE GUYS WHO PLAY WITH NO PADS AT ALL, A
ROUGH GAME AND BIG GUYS THE GUY THAT FIT SORT OF FROM CENTRAL
CASTING IS THEIR COACH BRIAN. BUT HE’S FROM CENTRAL CASTING
AND I GATHER ONE OF THE MOST HIGHLY REGARDED COACHES IN THE
GAME OF RUGBY WHICH IS A GREAT AND EXCITING GAME. I WANT TO
EXTEND OUR CONGRATULATIONS TO THE PLAYERS. OUR FRIEND HERE
WAS BROUGHT IN TO BE THE CEO IN THE COMPANY. HE’S WELL-KNOWN IN
TORONTO. HE’S HAD A ROLE IN CANADIAN SPORTS AND IN TORONTO
SPORTS. I THINK HE TOOK OVER IN SOMEWHAT CHALLENGING
CIRCUMSTANCES TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY PART OF THIS TEAM WOULD
RALLY AROUND THE PLAYERS AND MAKE SURE THE FANS HAD THE
OPPORTUNITY TO CHEER ON THIS TEAM. WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF
WORK TO DO PERHAPS WITH THEM IN MAKING SURE THAT STADIUM IS ALL
THAT THIS T NEEDS TO BE SO THAT IT CAN BE A BETTER HOME FOR THE
COMMUNITY AS WELL AS FOR THE WOLFPACK BUT
THAT’S A DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER DAY. SO I MAY JUST SAY TO YOU
CONGRATULATIONS ON THE WIN. AND BOB, PLEASE EXTEND OUR
CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL THE PLAYERS, THE COACHING STAFF, TO
THE MANAGEMENT TEAM, AND JUST SAY TO THEM WE’RE PROUD OF YOU
AS WE’RE PROUD OF OUR SPORTS TEAMS THAT HAVE HAD SUCH A GOOD
RUN RECENTLY, ANOTHER CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM FOR TORONTO.
I CALLED THE MAYOR TO SEE IF WE COULD BORROW THE SIGNS. THANK
YOU FOR JOINING THE RANKS OF THE CHAMPION SPOT.
» [APPLAUSE]. » THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, AND
THANK YOU COUNCILLOR, FOR ALLOWING US THIS MOMENT. I
PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO PASS ON MY CONGRATULATIONS TO JOE. I
CAN GIVE YOU FULL ASSURANCE THAT IN THE 4 LEASES I NEGOTIATED
WITH HIM DURING MY TIME JOE REPRESENTED THE CITY VERY WELL.
HE WAS A VERY TOUGH NEGOTIATOR. WE DID THE FIELD TWICE, WE DID
THE RAPTORS PRACTICE FACILITY, AND WE DID THE COLISEUM. BUT
JOE AND THE TEAM AND DIANE YOUNG AND THE LEGAL TEAM WERE VERY,
VERY TOUGH NEGOTIATORS, BUT WE GOT A DEAL DONE BECAUSE IT WAS
GOOD FOR BUSINESS. SO, AGAIN, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AND
ESPECIALLY THANK YOU FOR DRAGGING YOUR DOLLY AND SELF OUT
TO THE LAST GAME. HE WAS BRAVE ENOUGH TO WALK ACROSS THE FIELD
IN HIS BOOT. IT SAYS A LOT TO OUR FANS AND IT SAYS A LOT TO
THE CITY. SAYS A LOT TO OUR PLAYERS. SO A FEW OTHER PEOPLE
I WANT TO THANK THAT’S JUST TO GIVE EVERYONE AN IDEA. 3 YEARS
AGO WE LAUNCHED THIS UNDERTAKING. WE BROUGHT AN
EXCITING NEW SPORT TO THE CITY. I HAVE A PICTURE IN MY OFFICE
THAT SAYS — THAT SHOWS THE OPENING GAME. AND YOU COULD
SHOOT AN ARROW IN THERE AND NOT HIT ANYBODY. AS THE LAST GAME
WE WERE OVER 10,000 PEOPLE. I KNOW IT ONLY HOLDS 9, BUT WE
WERE ABLE AS TO SQUEEZE A FEW IN BUT ANYWAYS DAVID HAS BEEN THE
SUPPORTER OF THIS FINANCIALLY AND EMOTIONALLY. AND HE IS
REALLY, REALLY A — HAS A PASSION AND PASSION FOR RUGBY. 3 YEARS IN A ROW WE’VE BEEN
PROMOTED. IT’S JUST A WONDERFUL UNDERTAKING AND TO THE MAYOR’S
COMMENTS, WE’RE AT THE EPITOME OF
PROFESSIONAL RUGBY. A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO MARKET THIS CITY
AND MARKET TORONTO. AND TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA AT THIS LEVEL THE
VISITING TEAMS ON AVERAGE WILL FLY IN A THOUSAND FANS FROM THE
UK. SO EVERY TWO WEEKS THE HOTELS WILL ENJOY THE BENEFITS,
THE RESTAURANTS WILL ENJOY THE BENEFIT AND WE’LL ENJOY HAVING
THEM HERE. SO GREAT OPPORTUNITY. ANYWAYS NOW, I’M
CUTTING IT SHORT. SO THANK YOU TO DAVID, THANK YOU TO THE
MINISTER OF SPORT, MARK GRIMES WHO HAS BEEN A BIG SUPPORTER IN
ALL THE DEALS THAT WE HAD TO DO WITH JOE. BUT AND THANK YOU TO
THE CITY’S OUR LANDLORD. WE WORK WITH JANIE AND HER TEAM.
AND IT’S BEEN A VERY, VERY COOPERATIVE RELATIONSHIP. SO
WE’RE LOOKING FORWARD TO GOING FORWARD WITH YOU ON A LONG-TERM
ARRANGEMENT. WE REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE UNIQUENESS OF BEING
DOWNTOWN IN THE HUB OF LIBERTY VILLAGE IS A VERY GREAT
OPPORTUNITY FOR US. GREAT OPPORTUNITY. LAST BUT NOT LEAST
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK OUR STAFF WHO ARE ALL HERE. I’D LIKE THEM
JUST TO STAND QUICKLY IN THE BACK.
» [APPLAUSE]. » THEY’RE AN AMAZING, HARD
WORKING PASSIONATE GROUP. AND WE LOOK FORWARD FOR THEM TO GROW
AS WE GROW IN THE LEAGUE. LAST BUT NOT LEAST, YOU’RE ALL
INVITED TO THE APRIL 18TH HOME OPENER. BECAUSE OF THE SEASON WE
ACTUALLY PLAY 3 OF OUR HOME GAMES IN THE UK BEFORE WE CAN
ACTUALLY GET BACK HERE INTO WARM WEATHER. SO APRIL 18TH, WE’VE GOT LOTS OF
WORK TO DO, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU ON THAT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. » [APPLAUSE]. » THANK YOU. MEMBERS OF
COUNCIL WE WILL NOW REVIEW AND CONFIRM THE ORDER PAPER. THERE
ARE 44 ITEMS LEFT ON THE AGENDA INCLUDING 29 MEMBER MOTIONS.
YESTERDAY COUNCIL DECIDED TO CONSIDER ITEM EC 8.16 ON
PROVINCIAL FUNDING CHANGES AND PREVIOUSLY APPROVED CHILD CARE
CAPITAL PROJECTS UPDATE AS THIS FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS THIS
MORNING. CITY COUNCIL WILL CONSIDER MEMBER MOTIONS AT 2:00
P.M. I WILL NOW TAKE THE RELEASE OF HOLDS. PLEASE PUT
YOUR NAME ON THE REQUEST TO QUESTION STAFF. DEPUTY MAYOR MINNAN-WONG.
» YES, PAGE 3, NORTH YORK COMMUNITY COUNCIL 8.3 AND 8.4,
FINAL REPORT, 1299 DON MILLS ROAD AND THE SECOND ONE IS ALSO
WITH REGARD TO THE HERITAGE ISSUES AT THE SAME ADDRESS. I’M
HAPPY TO RELEASE THOSE, INTRODUCE THE NUMBERS FROM 44 TO 42.
» [AWAY FROM MIC]. » NO, IT’S AN INFORMATION
REPORT. I’D LIKE TO MOVE THAT FOR
INFORMATION AND SUPPLEMENTARY, OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH I’LL RELEASE
THOSE 2 ITEMS. » YOU’RE JUST RELEASING THEM?
» YES. » YEAH, OKAY. THANK YOU. SO
WE’LL VOTE ON PAGE 3 NY8.3 FIRST ALL IN FAVOR? CARRIED. NY8.4, ALL IN FAVOR? CARRIED. COUNCILLOR COLLE.
» YES, MADAM CHAIR, I’D LIKE TO ADD AN AMENDMENT AND RELEASE 9
— NY9.13 A DEMOLITION APPLICATION 2296 —
» WHAT PAGE? » PAGE 8. » WE’RE ON A DIFFERENT DAY.
» OKAY. » PAGE 4.
» YOU’RE SO YESTERDAY. » NY9.13, COUNCILLOR COLLE?
» YES. » DEMOLITION APPLICATION.
» YES. » OKAY.
» I HAVE AN AMENDMENT. » YOU HAVE AN AMENDMENT. DOES
THE STAFF HAVE YOUR AMENDMENT? » YES. » OKAY. IT’S ON THE SCREEN.
ALL IN FAVOR? DID SOMEBODY SAY WAIT? ALL IN
FAVOR? CARRIED. ITEM AS AMENDED ALL IN FAVOR?
CARRIED. COUNCILLOR LAYTON.
» YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ON PAGE 4 TE9.37 CONSTRUCTION STAGING AREA
TIME EXTENSION FOR AVENUE ROAD. I HAVE AN AMENDMENT. AND THAT’S
TO —
» IT’S HERE WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION. SO YOU HAVE A
MOTION. » I HAVE AN AMENDMENT TO THE
STAFF RECOMMENDATION. AND THAT’S — THE AMENDMENT IS TO
CHANGE JULY 31ST, 2020, TO JANUARY 31ST, 2020. I’M DOING
THIS BECAUSE I’M NOT CONVINCED THE DEVELOPER IN FACT, NEEDS THE
ADDITIONAL TIME BECAUSE EVERY TIME I ASK THEY GIVE A DIFFERENT
RATIONAL. AND SO I DON’T THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE — IT’S
ACTUALLY A SIDEWALK OCCUPATION, BUT WE WANT OUR SIDEWALK BACK.
AT SOME POINT. » OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR?
CARRIED. THANK YOU. SO ON PAGE 3 EX9.4, I HELD IT
DOWN. I HAVE AN AMENDMENT IF WE COULD PUT IT ON THE SCREEN. » [AWAY FROM MIC].
» PARDON? » OKAY. SO WE’LL HOLD IT DOWN
THEN. ALL RIGHT I’LL CONTINUE HOLDING
IT. COUNCILLOR BAILÃO. COUNCILLOR PASTERNAK, HAVE YOU
SUBMITTED YOUR AMENDMENT TO STAFF?
» [AWAY FROM MIC]. » OKAY. SO MAYBE WE CAN
RELEASE IT. SORRY, COUNCILLOR BAILÃO, WHICH PAGE?
» PAGE 4, PH 9.3, I DO HAVE AN AMENDMENT SO I’LL TRY TO RELEASE
THIS — » [AWAY FROM MIC].
» YOU HAVE IT, OKAY. SO WE’LL HAVE TO EXTEND THIS.
» OKAY. SO DID WE WANT TO GO BACK TO EX 9.4, COUNCILLOR
PASTERNAK, YOU HAVE AN AMENDMENT?
» MIKE » ALL RIGHT. WE’LL CONTINUE
HOLDING IT. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ADOPTING THE ORDER
PAPER ALL IN FAVOR? CARRIED. THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY, POINT OF
ORDER. » I’M GOING TO STRETCH AS A
POINT OF ORDER BUT I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT TO MEMBERS THAT THE
FIRST 3 AUDIT ITEMS ARE POTENTIALLY TO GO IN CAMERA.
FOR AN EFFICIENT MEETING IF MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS THAT NEED
TO GO IN CAMERA WE SHOULD BUNDLE THEM TOGETHER AND MAYBE THEY
COULD INDICATE THEM TO YOU, TO ME SO WE CAN HOLD THOSE
APPROPRIATELY. » YEAH, IF ANY MEMBERS OF
COUNCIL WANT TO GO IN CAMERA ON THE AUDIT COMMITTEE REPORTS,
PLEASE LET THE STAFF NOW, SO THEN WE CAN GO INTO CAMERA.
OKAY. OUR FIRST TIMED ITEM IS ON PAGE 4, EC8.16, COUNCILLOR
CRESSY, YOU HELD THE ITEM DOWN. DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS? OKAY
COUNCILLOR CRESSY, QUESTIONS. » THANK YOU, SPEAKER. TO OUR
FABULOUS TEAM AT CHILDREN’S SERVICES. LET ME START WITH THE
COST OF CHILD CARE IN THE CITY OF TORONTO. WHAT IS THE AVERAGE
COST FOR LICENSED CHILD CARE FOR AN INFANT IN THE CITY OF
TORONTO. » MADAM SPEAKER THE AVERAGE
COST FOR INFANT CHILD CARE SPACE IS $22,000 A YEAR.
» $22,000 A YEAR FOR AN INFANT AND FOR A TODDLER.
» $17,000 A YEAR. » WE DON’T HAVE TO KNOW OFFHAND
WHAT THE AVERAGE COST OF TUITION I SUSPECT A YEAR OF CHILD CARE
IS MORE THAN 4 YEARS OF TUITION. » I DON’T, I WAS LOOKING AT
MIKE THINKING HE MIGHT ACTUALLY KNOW THAT.
» SO THAT’LL THE AVERAGE COST. IS CHILD CARE IN TORONTO THE
MOST EXPENSIVE OF ANY CITY IN THE COUNTRY?
» YES, THE EVIDENCE WOULD INDICATE THAT CHILD CARE IN THE
CITY OF TORONTO IS ONE OF THE MOST EXPENSIVE IN THE COUNTRY.
» OKAY. THE SUBSIDY PROGRAM WE HAVE IS INTENDED TO SUPPORT
PEOPLE ON LOWER INCOME SO THEY CAN AFFORD CHILD CARE IS THAT
CORRECT? » THAT’S CORRECT.
» OKAY. HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF TORONTO ARE UTILIZING
THE SUBSIDY PROGRAM? » CURRENTLY WE HAVE 30,700
FAMILIES SUBSIDIZED SPACES THAT ARE BEING UTILIZED BY FAMILIES
IN THE CITY. » 30,700 SPACES.
» YES. » IS THAT EVERYBODY, OR IS THERE
A WAITING LIST? » NO, THERE’S A WAITING LIST OF
17,000 FAMILIES AT THE MOMENT. » OKAY. SO WE’RE DEALING IN
FRONT OF US TODAY IS THE LATEST ROUND OF PROVINCIAL — THE
LATEST PROVINCIAL CUTS TO CHILD CARE. SO IS THE PROVINCE STILL PROPOSING
TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT AS A COST SHARE THAT THEY PROVIDE FOR THE
SUBSIDY PROGRAM FROM 180%, ARE THEY STILL DOING THAT REDUCTION.
» COUNCILLOR CRESSY, HOLD ON. I HAVE TO PUT YOUR TIME ON HOLD.
IF I COULD ASK MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AND STAFF TO PLEASE TRY
TO KEEP IT DOWN. IT’S A LITTLE NOISY IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
PLEASE, IT’S HARD TO HEAR THE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS. THANK
YOU. OKAY. GO AHEAD, COUNCILLOR.
» MADAM SPEAKER, I CAN CONFIRM THAT THE EXPANSION FUNDING THAT
IS PROVIDED TO THE CITY OF TORONTO FROM THE PROVINCE WAS
REDUCED THIS YEAR BY $15 MILLION.
» $15 MILLION AS A RESULT OF THE COST SHARE REDUCTION.
» THAT’S CORRECT AS A RESULT OF THE CHANGE TO THE COST SHARE
REQUIREMENT. » SO THAT CHANGE RESULTS IN A
$15 MILLION CUT TO THIS CITY. IS THAT COST SHARE REDUCTION
CONTINUING NEXT YEAR, HAVE WE HEARD?
» THE PROVINCE HAS INDICATED THAT THE CHANGE IN THE COST
SHARE WILL CONTINUE NEXT YEAR. IT WON’T BE AN ADDITIONAL 15
MILLION, BUT THEY DO NOT INDICATE THEY WOULD BE
REINSTATING THAT 15 MILLION. » NOW, DID WE HEAR — DID YOU
RECEIVE A LETTER LATE ON FRIDAY AFTERNOON INDICATING THAT THE PROVINCE
WHILE THEY’RE NOT CHANGING THE CUT THEY ARE PROVIDING US AN
INCREASE IN CORE FUNDING 12 AND CHANGE MILLION DOLLARS.
» THAT’S CORRECT ALTHOUGH OUR EXPANSION PLAN FUNDING WAS
REDUCE BY THE 15 MILLION WE RECEIVED AN INCREASE IN OUR CORE
FUNDING OF 12.2 MILLION. BOTH OF THOSE FUNDING TYPES CAN BE
USE FOR FEE SUBSIDIES. » FOR THIS YEAR THEN, BASED ON
THAT NEWS WE RECEIVED ON FRIDAY, THERE IS AN OUTSTANDING CUT FOR OUR SUBSIDY PROGRAM OF HOW
MUCH? » $2.8 MILLION.
» HAS THE PROVINCE CONFIRMED THAT IN 2021, WE WILL IN FACT
RECEIVE THAT INCREASE IN CORE FUNDING AGAIN, HAVE THEY
CONFIRMED THAT? » NO, WE ARE ALLOCATIONS FROM
THE PROVINCE ARE CONFIRMED ANNUALLY. WE DON’T RECEIVE THAT
IN ADVANCE. SO WE WILL HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL OUR NEXT YEAR
ALLOCATION. » SO THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT
THIS TIME NEXT YEAR WE WON’T BE BACK IN THE SAME SITUATION
TRYING TO MAKE UP THAT $15 MILLION GAP FOR SUBSIDIES?
» THAT’S CORRECT. » ON CHIMED CARE EXPANSION
BECAUSE WE’VE TALKED ABOUT THE SUBSIDY PROGRAM, WHAT PERCENTAGE
OF KIDS, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOUR INCOME LEVEL IS, WHAT PERCENTAGE
OF KIDS ARE IN LICENSED CHILD CARE RIGHT NOW IN OUR CITY?
» APPROXIMATELY 33% OF FAMILIES ARE USING LICENSED CHILD CARE.
» AND WHAT IS OUR GROWTH TARGET FOR THAT TO GET TO?
» OUR GROWTH TARGET WOULD BE TO HAVE 50% OF FAMILIES BE ABLE TO
ACCESS LICENSED CHIMED CARE. » SO WE HAVE 49 NEW CHILD CARE
SITES IDENTIFIED RIGHT ACROSS THE CITY IN EVERY WARD TO HELP
US MEET THOSE GROWTH TARGETS FOR NEW SPACES REGARDLESS OF INCOME
IS THAT RIGHT? » THAT’S CORRECT.
» OKAY. AND THE 17 SITES WE’RE BUILDING NOW THE PROVINCE WAS
PAYING A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE CAPITAL IN OPERATING, FOR THESE
49 ADDITIONAL SITES HAVE THEY CHANGED THE MODEL SO THAT
THEY’RE NOT LONGER PROVIDING THE OPERATING?
» THE ORIGINAL MODEL DID PROVIDE OPERATING. THE SECOND
ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT CAPITAL, THERE WAS NO COMMITMENT TO
PROVIDE THE OPERATING, ALTHOUGH THEY WOULD CONTINUE TO PROVIDE
CAPITAL FOR THOSE PROGRAMS. » SO TO MEET OUR GROWTH TARGETS
TO OPEN THESE 49 ADDITIONAL SITES ONCE THEY’RE ALL OPENED,
WHAT WILL THE ANNUAL FINANCIAL IMPACT BE ON THE CITY WITH THE
PROVINCIAL — WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE OPERATING, HOW MUCH WILL
THAT BE? » THAT’S YOUR LAST YES.
» ALL OF THOSE PROGRAMS WHICH IS COMPACTED TO BE ABOUT 2024
WOULD BE $34 MILLION. » THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR CRESSY. COUNCILLOR THOMPSON.
» THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM SPEAKER. I KNOW COUNCILLOR
CRESSY HAS ASKED A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS WHICH IS TERRIFIC THAT
I WAS ABOUT TO ASK. BUT I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THROUGH YOU, MADAM SPEAKER, THE
PROCESS THAT’S ONGOING RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF DISCUSSION WITH THE
PROVINCE, HOW ARE THOSE GOING, AND ARE YOU CONFIDENT THAT WE’LL
BE ABLE TO ADDRESS MANY OF THE ISSUES AND CONCERNS THAT
COUNCILLOR CRESSY HAS BROUGHT FORWARD THROUGH THIS MECHANISM,
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED TO ASSIST YOU.
» MADAM SPEAKER, YES, I CAN CONFIRM THAT THE CITY OF TORONTO
AND CHILDREN SERVICES IS WORKING IN A NUMBER OF ADVISORY — AT A
NUMBER OF ADVISORY TABLES BOTH WITH OUR INTERGOVERNMENTAL
PARTNERS, OTHER MUNICIPAL PARTNERS AND CROSS SECTORILY.
THROUGH THOSE MECHANISMS WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COLLABORATE
WITH OUR PARTNERS, PROVIDE ADVICE. AND AT A LOCAL LEVEL
REALLY INDICATE WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE IN TERMS OF THE BEST
OUTCOMES FOR CHILDREN AND FAMILY. AND I’M CONFIDENT THAT
THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE GOING WELL.
» NOW, THE PROVINCE ALSO PROVIDES OTHER MUNICIPALITIES
WITH FUNDING AS WELL TO ASSIST WITH RESPECT TO CHILD CARE. IS
TORONTO BEING TREATED ANY DIFFERENTLY THAN SORT OF THE
OTHER AREAS ACROSS THE PROVINCE? » MADAM SPEAKER, I CAN CONFIRM
THAT THE COST SHARE CHANGES WERE ACROSS THE ENTIRE PROVINCE NOT
JUST THE CITY OF TORONTO. » RIGHT. THE 49 SCHOOL-BASED CHILD CARE
SPACE THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT, THE BEGINNING OF THE PROGRAM AT THE
START, HOW MANY SPACES HAVE WE OPENED IN THE —
IN THE SCHOOLS TO DATE? » TO DATE FROM WHEN THAT PROGRAM
WAS ANNOUNCED, ONE STREET HAS OPENED. SO APPROXIMATELY 69
SPACES. OTHER STREETS ARE EXPECTED TO OPEN OVER THE NEXT
COUPLE OF YEARS. » WITHIN THE TIME FRAME OF THIS
AGREEMENT, WILL WE FIND THAT ALL THE CENTRES TO BE OPENED WILL
THEY BE OPENED WITHIN THIS TIME FRAME.
» IN THE TIME FRAME OF THIS PARTICULAR AGREEMENT?
» YES. » NO, I WOULD — GIVEN THE RATE
OF DELIVERY HISTORICALLY, I DON’T EXPECT THAT THEY WILL REALLY BE DELIVERED UNTIL ABOUT
2024, BY THEN WE WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE POTENTIALLY NEW AGREEMENT.
» SO WHAT THEN IS THE REAL IMPACT WITH RESPECT TO THE REDUCTION? IS THERE A REAL
IMPACT AT THIS TIME SINCE YOU’VE OPENED ONE.
» RIGHT. » OVER — AMOUNT OF TIME.
» MADAM SPEAKER, WE DON’T EXPECT TO ACTUALLY HAVE PRESSURE
OR AN IMPACT UNTIL ABOUT 2024, BECAUSE THERE IS FUNDING
PROVIDED FOR THE FIRST 17 LOCATIONS WHICH WILL TAKE A
NUMBER OF YEARS TO DELIVER. » A LINE OF QUESTIONING THAT
COUNCILLOR CRESSY ASKED AND YOU PROVIDED INFORMATION ABOUT LOW
INCOME INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE BENEFITTING FROM THE SUBSIDIES
AND SO ON, I MET — AND THE MAYOR AND I WE WERE AT THE —
CHILD CARE FACILITIES, THERE WERE FOLKS THERE WHO WERE
PROFESSIONALS. THERE WAS ONE LADY, I BELIEVE EITHER HER OR
HER HOUSE WAS A LAWYER. IS THAT CONSIDERED LOW INCOME IN TERMS
OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BENEFITS, BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE
INDIVIDUALS THERE INDICATED THAT THEY TOO WERE BENEFITTING FROM
THE SUBSIDIES, SO IS IT JUST SIMPLY PEOPLE WHO ARE LOW
INCOME, WHAT’S THE THRESHOLD, WHAT’S THE DEFINITION THERE?
» MADAM SPEAKER, THE INCOME TEST IS A PROVINCIAL LEGISLATIVE
MANDATED TEST. » RIGHT.
» IT WOULD BE UNUSUAL FOR FAMILIES WITH A HIGH INCOME TO
QUALIFY, BUT CIRCUMSTANCES GIVEN THE NUMBER
OF CHILDREN, IT’S POSSIBLE. FAMILIES THOUGH ARE BENEFITTING
FROM AFFORDABILITY MEASURES THAT HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED TO THE
GROWTH STRATEGY. SO THROUGH BASE FUNDING WE’VE BEEN ABLE TO
PROVIDE FUNDING OPERATORS TO OFFSET FEES AND MAKE CHILD CARE
MORE AFFORDABLE. » I THINK THE POINT I WAS
TRYING TO MAKE THERE THOUGH JUST BECAUSE YOU MAY BE A LAWYER OR
WHATEVER IN TERMS OF STATUS, DOESN’T NECESSARILY MEAN —
» IT’S — THAT’S CORRECT IT’S ENTIRELY BASED OFTEN THE
PROVINCIAL INCOME TAX. » RIGHT. AND CAN YOU TELL ME,
PLEASE, WERE WE NOT TO PROVIDE THE SUPPORT TO FAMILIES FOR
CHILD CARE IN THE CITY, WHAT THEN WOULD BE THE ECONOMIC
IMPACT TO THE CITY OVERALL? » IF WE CANNOT PROVIDE ACCESS
TO CHILD CARE THROUGH FEE SUBSIDIES WE HAVE A NUMBER OF
FAMILIES WHO WOULD BE UNABLE TO WORK OR GO TO SCHOOL AND
CONTRIBUTED TO THE ECONOMY. IN ADDITION, THOSE CHILD CARE
CENTRES WOULD HAVE VACANT SPACES THAT THEY COULD NOT FILL, AND
THAT WOULD IMPACT THEIR FINANCIAL VIABILITY.
» AND CERTAINLY RECOGNIZE THE PROVINCE ALSO HAS FINANCIAL
PRESSURES AND SO ON SO DO WE AS A CITY, YOU HAVE A MECHANISM TO
ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF CHILD CARE REQUIREMENT FOR THE CITY OF
TORONTO. » THAT’S CORRECT.
» THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SPEAKER.
» THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO
ACKNOWLEDGE ROSE THORN JUNIOR PUBLIC SCHOOL GRADE 5. THE TEACHER, IN WARD 2 IN
COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY’S WARD. WELCOME.
» [APPLAUSE]. » COUNCILLOR LAYTON.
» SOMEWHAT FITTING THAT WE HAVE AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL CLASS JOIN
US FOR OUR CHILD CARE DEBATE. THERE ARE 2 DIFFERENT EXPANSION
PLANS HERE. THERE’S THE SUBSIDY SPANS PLAN AND THE TOTAL NUMBER
OF SPACES. IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY FROM COUNCILLOR
CRESSY’S QUESTIONS THE TARGET FOR SPACES IS THAT 50% OF
CHILDREN IN THE CITY OF TORONTO HAVE ACCESS TO A LICENSED CHILD
CARE SPACE. OVER WHAT PERIOD OF TIME WERE WE LOOKING AT
INCREASING TO THAT NUMBER AND WAS OUR TARGETED —
DID WE ACTUALLY HAVE A TARGET TO BE METAPHOR THAT 50%?
» MADAM SPEAKER IN TERMS OF SPACES THE TARGET TO INCREASE
THE NUMBER OF SPACES WAS SET TO OUR GROWTH STRATEGY THAT’S A TEN
YEARS AMBITIOUS PLAN. » AND WHERE IS MOST OF THIS
EXPANSION. » THE EXPANSION IS TAKING PLACE
ACROSS THE CITY. THE EXPANSION — BE THE SCHOOL BOARD
EXPANSION, THE SCHOOL BOARDS SELECT THE SCHOOLS WHERE THERE’S
AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CHILD CARE. WE LAYER THAT ON OUR GROWTH
STRATEGY TO LOOK AT NEIGHBOURHOODS THAT WHERE THERE
IS A NEED WHICH FOR THE MOST PART EVERY NEIGHBOURHOOD HAS A
NEED. SO JOINTLY WE MAKE DECISIONS, BUT I CAN SAY THAT
THE SPACES ARE SPREAD ACROSS THE CITY OF TORONTO.
» SO SO BUT IN THE MAPS THAT WE’VE SEEN WHERE THESE — THESE
SPACES, THESE EXPANSION SPACES ARE ARE TYPICALLY IN THE OUTER
SUBURBS, CORRECT. » THERE IS MORE BECAUSE THOSE
AREAS TEND TO HAVE LESS CHILD CARE, HIGHER AREAS OF INEQUITY.
» SO SAFE TO SAY FOR THE MOST PART THAT EXPANSION IS OUTSIDE
OF THE CORE? » THAT’S CORRECT.
» THE EXPANSION PLAN FOR SUBSIDIES, WHAT IS OUR TARGET
THERE. » AGAIN, THROUGH THE GROWTH
STRATEGY WE HAVE A TEN-YEAR TARGET TO ENSURE THAT FAMILIES
HAVE ACCESS TO 40 TO 50% OF SUBSIDIES FOR EVERY SPACE. SO
OUR CURRENT TARGET BY 2026 WOULD BE TO ADD 17,000 NEW FEE
SUBSIDIES. » WE ADD 17,000 NEW SUBSIDIES.
» CORRECT. » AND THE $15 MILLION REDUCTION
E WATERS TO 760 SUBSIDIES. » THAT’S CORRECT.
» AND IF THAT’S TO CONTINUE FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS YEAR OVER
YEAR THAT’S A 760 FAMILY REDUCTION IN OUR TARGET OF 17,000?
» THAT — THROUGH THE SPEAKER THE REDUCTION OF THE 15 MILLION
DOES EQUATE TO 760 SPACES. IN THE FOLLOWING YEARS WE — IF WE
MAINTAIN OUR BASE THERE WOULD NOT BE A FURTHER REDUCTION, BUT
YOU’RE CORRECT THAT 760,000 WOULD CARRY FORWARD. » IF THE RATIO THAT WE’RE
PAYING UNLESS WE INCREASE THE CITY’S COMPONENT.
» UM-HUM. » SO IF WE DIDN’T INCREASE THE CITY’S
COMPONENT, AND ACCEPT THAT THIS IS AN OUTRIGHT DOWNLOAD ONTO THE
CITY THEN YOU’RE LOOKING AT 7,600 SPACES OVER COURSE OF THE
TEN-YEAR PLAN THAT WOULDN’T BE PAID FOR ESSENTIALLY WE’RE
PAYING FOR 7,600 MORE SPACES THAN WE WOULD HAVE LAST YEAR HAD
THE PROVINCE NOT CHANGED THEIR RATIO?
» THROUGH THE QUESTIONER THAT WOULD BE CORRECT HOWEVER THE
INCREASE IN THE CORE FUNDING HAS OFFSET THAT IMPACT SO THE IMPACT
IS NOW 186 SPACES. » BUT WE DON’T KNOW IF THAT —
IF THAT CORE FUNDING WILL CONTINUE INTO NEXT YEAR?
» NO, WE — » NO.
» NEVER HAVE OUR FUTURE APPEAL LOCATIONS. ALLOCATIONS. .
» OVER THAT TEN-YEAR PERIOD OF TIME, YOU’RE LOOKING AT SEVERAL
PERCENT INCREASE SIMPLY TO ADDRESS THIS DOWNLOAD?
» I THINK THAT’S FAIR. » OVER THE COURSE OF TEN YEARS,
I’D DO THE MATH REALLY QUICKLY IN MY HEAD, THAT’S A 6% INCREASE
ON OUR PROPERTY TAXES AS A RESULT OF THIS DOWNLOAD?
» CORRECT. » OKAY. THANK YOU.
» THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM
» THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM SPEAKER. WITH RESPECT TO YOUR
EARLIER ANSWERS TO COUNCILLOR THOMPSON, YOU WERE DESCRIBING
THE CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN OUR STAFF AND THE CITY AND PROVINCE
IS QUOTE UNQUOTE GOING WELL. DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE PROVINCE
IS LIKELY TO REVERSE THEIR DECISION?
» THROUGH THE SPEAKER, WE ARE PROVIDING ADVICE ON A NUMBER OF
ITEMS AND THE PROVINCE IS LOOKING AT THE LEGISLATION,
DOING A REVIEW OF THE LEGISLATION, DOING A REVIEW OF
THE FUNDING FORMULA. SO WHEN I SAY THEY’RE GOING WELL, THE
INFORMATION IS BEING RECEIVED, THEY’RE BEING RECEPTIVE. WE
HAVE DEFINITELY SEEN A CHANGE FROM THE ORIGINAL FUNDING
ANNOUNCEMENT IN APRIL TO OUR ANNOUNCEMENT LAST FRIDAY.
THERE’S DEFINITELY BEEN A CHANGE. SO IT SEEMS THAT THE ADVICE THAT
WE’RE GIVING ABOUT HOW THOSE MAJOR CHANGES WILL IMPACT
FAMILIES IS BEING HEARD. » SO BUT ULTIMATELY WILL WE SEE
OUR TARGETS AROUND SPACE EXPANSION MET, AS WELL AS
SUBSIDY EXPANSION MET? SO TO ME, THAT WOULD BE GOING WELL.
» THE TARGETS — THROUGH OUR GROWTH STRATEGY THE TARGETS AND
EXPANSION ACTUALLY RELY ON ALL 3 LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT,
PROVINCIAL, FEDERAL AND MUNICIPAL. TO CONTRIBUTE. WE THROUGH PHASE 1 OF THE GROWTH
STRATEGY WE DID MAKE SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS GIVEN THE NEW SPACES
THAT ARE PLANNED OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS THAT WILL ALSO HELP
TO US MAKE PROGRESS IN OUR GROWTH STRATEGY. BUT WE
CERTAINLY DO RELY ON ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT TO CONTRIBUTE IN
ORDER TO REACH THAT TARGETED. » SO THE RECOGNITION THAT EVERY
ORDER OF GOVERNMENT HAS GOT TO COME TO THE TABLE TO FURTHER
THIS OBJECTIVE, RIGHT NOW WHO’S FAILING US? WHICH ORDER OF
GOVERNMENT IS NOT SHOWING UP WITH THE — WITH THE PURSES AND
THE FUNDING IN PLACE? » I WOULD HESITATE TO SAY WHO’S
FAILING. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT’S CONTINUING TO
CONTRIBUTE, THE CITY OF TORONTO IS MAKING CONTRIBUTION, THE
PROVINCIAL CONTRIBUTION WHILE IT HAS DECREASED BY 2.8 MILLION
THIS YEAR, THE COMMITMENT TO CAPITAL TO BUILDING THE CAPITAL
AND FUNDING THE CAPITAL CERTAINLY SHOWS A COMMITMENT TO
GROWTH. » BUT WE’RE NOT GOING TO BE
MEETING OUR TARGETS? » IT’S A TEN-YEAR TARGETED.
IT’S A LITTLE BIT EARLY TO SAY, BUT THEY WERE QUITE AMBITIOUS
TARGETS. » I GUESS GIVEN THE TRAJECTORY
THAT WE ANTICIPATE AND THE PROCESS THAT WE ARE UNDERTAKING
THERE’S PROBABLY A VERY GOOD CHANCE THAT WE’RE NOT GOING TO
MEET OUR TARGETS WOULD YOU SAY? » THAT’S POSSIBLE.
» OKAY. AND SO THE CITY IS DEFINITELY AT THE TABLE. AND
WE’RE PARTICIPATING AND WE’RE GIVING THE FUNDING, THE PROVINCE
HAS CHANGED THEIR — SINCE THE PREVIOUS ANNOUNCEMENT, THEY’VE
SAID WE’RE NOT GOING TO FUNDS IT THE WAY OUR PREDECESSOR HAD
PROMISED, THERE’S BEEN NO CHANGES AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL.
SO REALLY THE ONLY GOVERNMENT SO FAR THAT HASN’T — THAT’S
CHANGED THE FORMULA, THAT’S COME TO THE TABLE SAYS WE’RE ACTUALLY
NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU AS MUCH IS SO FAR THE PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT
IS THAT CORRECT? » THAT’S CORRECT.
» AND WITH RESPECT TO THOSE WHO ARE GOING TO BE MOST IMPACTED
AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES OF NOT HAVING
ACCESSIBLE AFFORDABLE CHILD CARE, COULD YOU BREAK IT DOWN
FOR ME INTO DEMOGRAPHIC PROFILES WHO WILL BE MOST IMPACTED WHEN
THERE IS A LACK OF AFFORDABLE ACCESSIBLE CHILD CARE, PERHAPS
BY GENDER, BY AGE? » WE’RE, MADAM SPEAKER, THE
FAMILY RECEIVING FEE SUBSIDY AND MOST IMPACTED ARE TYPICALLY LOW
INCOME FAMILIES UNDER THE PROVINCIAL INCOME TEST. OFTEN
THEY ARE SOLE SUPPORT WOMEN. SO LARGE PROPORTIONS OF FAMILIES
RECEIVE AGO SUBSIDY ARE SINGLE PARENT OFTEN WOMEN. SO I DON’T
HAVE THE NUMBERS BUT GENERALLY THAT GIVES YOU A SNAPSHOT OF THE
FAMILIES THAT WOULD BE MOST IMPACTED. » SO RIGHT NOW BEFORE US YOU’VE
GOT A SERIES OF RECOMMENDATIONS I THINK THERE’S TWO OF THEM. OF
THOSE 2 RECOMMENDATIONS ACTUALLY STIPULATE THAT THE FEDERAL —
THAT THE PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT COME BACK TO THE TABLE AND
REINSTATE THE FULL FUNDING? » SO ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS
WAS THAT CITY COUNCIL CALL ON THE PROVINCE TO REVERSE THE
FUNDING FORMULA CHANGES AND MAINTAIN PREVIOUS PROVINCIAL
FUNDING LEVELS. » THANK YOU. THAT WAS YOUR LAST
QUESTION. DEPUTY MAYOR MINNAN-WONG.
» YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU WERE IN MY OFFICE A WHILE
BACK AGO TO DISCUSS THIS ISSUE, IS THAT CORRECT?
» I KNOW I HAVE SPOKEN WITH YOU, YES.
» YEAH, YOU DID, YOU WERE IN MY OFFICE. SO THIS ARRANGEMENT
UNDER THE PREVIOUS GOVERNMENT PREVIOUS GOVERNMENT INCREASED A
SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN DAY CARE FUNDING, IS THAT FAIR TO SAY?
» YES, THAT’S CORRECT. » AND HOW MANY SPACES WAS THAT
ANNOUNCEMENT FOR? » OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
» YEAH. » WE ADDED MORE THAN 30 —
30,000. » THE PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT?
» 30,000 SPACES OVER THE PAST 3 YEARS.
» OKAY. AND SO THE PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT WHEN THEY MADE THAT
ANNOUNCEMENT, THAT WAS A — THAT CAME AT A SUBSTANTIAL PRICE TAG,
DIDN’T IT? » CORRECT.
» AND WHAT WAS THAT PRICE TAG? » THE INVESTMENT IS CHILD CARE
BETWEEN 2017, AND 2019, WAS AT EXCESS OF 86 MILLION.
» RIGHT. AND THERE WASN’T A FUNDING — THE PROVINCIAL
GOVERNMENT THEY DIDN’T HAVE A FUNDING SOURCE FOR THAT, DID
THEY? » SORRY?
» THEY DIDN’T HAVE A FUNDING SOURCE, THEY WERE JUST GOING TO
ADD THAT ONTO THEIR — THE DEFICIT?
» YEAH, THAT’S WHAT THEY PROVIDED TO US. I’M NOT SURE OF
THEIR FUNDING SOURCE. » SO THE ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE
PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT WAS BY AND LARGE TO ROLL BACK IN ESSENCE
THE ANNOUNCE AM OF THOSE NEW SPACES.
» PARTIALLY ROLLS BACK THE GAINS THAT WE MADE IN GROWTH IN
THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, YES. » SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE
PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT WAS DOING WAS BECAUSE THE PREVIOUS
PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT MADE AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAT THEY COULDN’T
PAY FOR BECAUSE THE DEFICIT WAS INCREASING AT SUCH A SUBSTANTIAL
RATE THEY ROLLED IT BACK TO SHOW SOME SORT OF FISCAL DISCIPLINE.
» THAT’S CORRECT. THE FUNDING WAS ROLLED BACK.
» THANK YOU. » THANK YOU. THAT’S IT FOR THE
QUESTIONS. TO SPEAK. TO SPEAK, COUNCILLOR
CRESSY. » THANK YOU. I HAVE AN
AMENDMENT TO BE PLACED ON THE SCREEN WHICH IS A REQUEST AROUND
MULTI YEAR BUDGETING. JUST SO WE’RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE THE
ITEM IN FRONT OF US FROM COMMITTEE IS FOR ALL OF US EACH
MEMBER OF COUNCIL TO MAKE A DECISION WHETHER OR NOT TO CALL
ON THE PROVINCE NOT TO REDUCE BUT REVERSE THE CUTS, THAT’S
WHAT’S IN FRONT OF US. LET ME BEGIN BY THANKING OUR STAFF YET
AGAIN. THIS IS THE 4TH ITEM WE’VE HAD AN ITEM LIKE THIS AT
COUNCIL FOR THE LAST 6 MONTHS FOR THEIR WORK. WE EMAILED BACK
AND FORTH SATURDAY MORNING. I WANT TO THANK OUR STAFF FROM
CHILD SERVICES. DEPUTY MAYOR THOMPSON EMERGED AS
A — AND THE MAYOR JOHN TORY. THIS IS GROUNDHOG DAY, THIS IS
THE 4TH TIME WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT —
SPOKEN ABOUT PROVINCIAL CUTS TO CHILD CARE IN 6 MONTHS. THE 4TH
TIME. AND I’VE SAID IT BEFORE, AND IT’S GETTING CLOSER, IT’S AN
ISSUE THAT HAS BECOME DEEPLY PERSONAL FOR ME AS IT IS FOR
MANY OF YOU BECAUSE MY SPOUSE AND I ARE HAVING OUR FIRST KID
IN LESS THAN 3 WEEKS. AS I’VE TOLD YOU BEFORE, WHEN WE FOUND
OUT THAT GRACE WAS PREGNANT THE VERY FIRST THING WE DID BEFORE
TELLING HER PARENTS OR MY PARENTS OR MY BEST PAL MIKE
HERE, THE VERY FIRST THING WE DID WAS PUT OURSELVES ON 7 CHILD
CARE WAITING LISTS, 7. AND I’M NOT SURE IF WE’LL GET A SPOT.
AND WE’RE THE LUCKY ONES. WE —
WE’RE THE LUCKY ONES BECAUSE IF WE GET A SPOT WE CAN AFFORD TO
PAY FOR IT. WE WILL BETWEEN HOUSEHOLD COSTS AND OTHERS AS
PRIVILEGED LUCKY FOLKS IN THE CITY WE’LL BE TAKING ON DEBT TO
PAY FOR CHILD CARE BUT WE CAN AFFORD TO DO THAT AND WE’RE
LUCKY. MANY ARE NOT. AND SO THE DISCUSSION WE HAVE ABOUT
CHILD CARE FOR THE 4TH TIME IN 6 MONTHS HERE SHOULD BE CENTERED
AROUND A SIMPLE PREMISES IS THAT CHILD CARE SHOULD BE ACCESSIBLE
AND AFFORDABLE FOR EVERYONE WHO NEEDS IT. THAT’S WHAT WE’RE
WORKING TOWARDS. CHILD CARE IF YOU NEED IT YOU SHOULD BE ABLE
TO ACCESS AND ABLE TO AFFORD TO PAY FOR IT. JUST LIKE PUBLIC
SCHOOL OR HEALTH CARE FOR THAT MATTER. NOBODY SHOULD HAVE TO
CHOICE WHETHER OR NOT TO PUT THEIR CHILD IN CHILD CARE DUE TO
FINANCIAL CONSTRAINTS, NOBODY. AND SO HERE WE ARE IN THE CITY
OF TORONTO, WHERE CHILD CARE IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE OF ANY CITY
IN CANADA AND WE ARE DEBATING FOR THE 4TH TIME IN 6 MONTHS HOW
TO STOP THE PROVINCE FROM MAKING IT LESS AFFORDABLE. WE HAVE 30,000 PEOPLE ON
SUBSIDIES FOR CHILD CARE BUT A WAITING LIST OF 17,000 PEOPLE.
WE SHOULD BE DEBATING HOW DO WE REDUCE THAT WAITING LIST?
INSTEAD WE’RE DEBATING HOW DO WE PROTECT THE SUBSIDIES WE HAVE
FROM PROVINCIAL CUTS. ONLY 33% OF PEOPLE REGARDLESS OF INCOME
WHO NEED SPACES FOR CHILD CARE CAN CURRENTLY ACCESS THEM. WE
SHOULD BE HAVING A DEBATE AND DISCUSSION ABOUT
HOW WE INCREASE THE NUMBER OF KIDS WHO CAN ACCESS CHILD CARE,
INSTEAD WE’RE DISCUSSING HOW WE’RE GOING TO PAY FOR NEW
PROVINCIAL CUTS TO THOSE NEW SPACES. AND SO IN APRIL THE
PROVINCE ANNOUNCED AN $85 MILLION CUT TO CHILD CARE.
AS YOU RECALL, A WAVE OF OPPOSITION EMERGED FROM THIS
CHAMBER AND FROM PARENTS AND KIDS RIGHT ACROSS THE PROVINCE
AND THOSE RETROACTIVE CUTS WERE REVERSED. THAT WAS APRIL. IN
AUGUST THE PROVINCE ANNOUNCED THAT WHILE THEY HAD REVERSED
RETROACTIVITY THEY WERE CARRYING FORWARD WITH REDUCED CUTS OF $15
MILLION. WE DEBATE IT HERE IN SPOKENS YET AGAIN A WAVE OF
OPPOSITION, THOSE CUTS HAVE NOW BEEN REDUCED BUT NOT REVERSED. THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO CALL ON
THE PROVINCE NOT TO REDUCE THE CUTS BUT TO REVERSE THEM, AND IF
WE TRULY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT CHILD CARE IS IN FACT,
AFFORDABLE AND ACCESSIBLE, WHAT WE SHOULD BE DISCUSSING WITH THE
PROVINCE IS HOW WE INCREASE FUNDING FOR CHILD CARE, NOT TAX
CREDITS, BUT SPACES AND SUBSIDIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
» THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR THOMPSON.
» YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I SUPPORT OBVIOUSLY THE MOTION
THAT COUNCILLOR CRESSY HAS PUT FORWARD. BEEN ABLE TO WORK WITH
HIM AND STAFF ON THIS. CERTAINLY, SPEAKER, THERE ARE
CHALLENGES AND PRESSURES FACING ALL GOVERNMENT’S AT THIS
PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME. WE STARTED OFF WITH 85, WE WENT
DOWN TO 15, AND NOW WE’RE AT 2.8. IT SENDS A MESSAGE TO ME,
AT LEAST, THAT THE WORK THAT WE’RE DOING HERE AND WORK THAT
OUR AMAZING STAFF THEY’RE DOING IS ACTUALLY
BASICALLY WORKING. AND CLEARLY MAYBE IT’S NOT
WORKING FAST ENOUGH, I GET THAT, BUT I KNOW THAT THE, YOU KNOW,
LEVEL OF EXPENSE — THE NATURE OF EXPENSIVE CHILD CARE IN THIS
CITY CERTAINLY DIDN’T START WITH THE FORD GOVERNMENT AND PROBABLY
WILL NOT END WITH THAT GOVERNMENT BECAUSE IT’S THE
NATURE OF THE EXPENSE OF CHILD CARE IN THE CITY. CLEARLY WE
WANT TO DO MORE TO FIND MECHANISM TO WORK IN A
COORDINATED, COOPERATIVE WAY TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE
CHALLENGES AND THE PRESSURES THAT ARE BEING FACED WITH
RESPECT TO THE COST OF CHILD CARE IN THE CITY. I UNDERSTAND
THAT YOU KNOW, OTHER GOVERNMENTS HAVE PRESSURES AS WE DO AS WELL.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SORT OF INVENTED THE — I THINK WE’VE COME A LONG
WAY. AND GOING FORWARD I THINK THAT WHAT WE CERTAINLY HOPE IS TO
ACHIEVE CERTAINLY THE BASE LEVEL THAT WE WERE AT
PRIOR TO THE CHANGES COMING IN PLACE. BUT IF WE’RE NOT ABLE TO
DO THAT, CLEARLY WE AT LEAST HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO IN
TERMS OF RESPONDING IN ADDRESSING THE ISSUES THAT ARE
FACING US. I NOTE, SPEAKER, AS IT RELATES TO THE EARLY ON
PROGRAMS, I KNOW WHAT I’VE BEEN DOING IN MY OWN AREA NOW IS
PUTTING MORE SECTION 37 FUNDINGS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE MORE
RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO HELP IN THOSE PROGRAM. BECAUSE WE KNOW
THAT THERE HAS BEEN AN IMPACT ON THAT AREA AS WELL. BUT WE KNOW
THE REAL BENEFITS THAT IS ACCRUED TO FAMILIES AND
NEWCOMERS TO THE CITY. IT’S A SERVICE THAT WE NEED TO
MAINTAIN. CLEARLY WE KNOW WITH RESPECT TO CHILD CARE IT’S A
SERVICE THAT WE HAVE TO ENSURE CONTINUES. WE HEARD THE NUMBERS
WHETHER IT’S A WAITING LIST OF SOME 17,000 PEOPLE. THAT’S A
LOT OF PEOPLE. I KNOW COUNCILLOR CRESSY POINTED OUT
WHEN YOU KNOW, HE FOUND OUT HE AND HIS PARTNER FOUND OUT —
FOUND THAT HIS PARTNER WAS PREGNANT THEY WENT AHEAD AND GOT
ONTO A LIST. I CAN TELL YOU, SPEAKER, IN MY OWN CASE MANY
YEARS AGO I HAD A SIMILAR SITUATION. THE FIRST OCCASION
OF KNOWING THAT MY WIFE AS PREGNANT, ONE OF THE FIRST
THINGS WE WERE TOLD TO DO WAS GO TO PUT YOURSELF ON A LIST FOR
CHILD CARE. AND SO THIS ISN’T SOMETHING THAT’S NEW.
AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE’RE ALL SORT OF AWARE
THAT IT ISN’T JUST SIMPLY ABOUT FINGER POINTING, IT’S ABOUT HOW
WE WORK TOGETHER, AND TO BRING HOUR CONCERNS CERTAINLY TO THE PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT TO
ENSURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES AND SO ON, AND WE
CAN WORK TOGETHER. I’M VERY — BY THE FACT THAT THERE IS A
PROCESS THAT’S IN PLACE THAT WILL ALLOW FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY
TO TAKE PLACE, NOT SIMILAR TO THE DISCUSSION WE HAD A DAY AGO
WITH THE CITY MANAGER TALKING ABOUT THE TABLE WHERE ALL THE
DISCUSSIONS ARE TAKING PLACE AROUND TRANSIT. OBVIOUSLY AS A
MECHANISM PLACE THAT PARTICULAR PROCESS IS WORKING, THIS PROCESS
IS WORKING AS WELL WITH RESPECT TO — WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT
ABOUT WHAT’S GOING ON AND IS SHE CONFIDENT THAT THAT PROCESS IS
YIELDING SOME BENEFITS. AGAIN, WE START 85, THERE’S 33,000 PLUS
SPACE, DOWN TO 15, ANOTHER SOME HUNDRED AND 60 SPACE, WE’RE NOW
AT 2.8, AND 186 SPACES. SO WE WANT TO GET TO THAT LEVEL WHERE WE’RE NOT LOSING
SUBSIDY AND SO ON, BUT IT’S A PROCESS THAT WE HAVE TO WORK
THROUGH. SO WE HAVE THE MECHANISM, LET’S ENSURE THAT WE
SUPPORT THE STAFF AND ENCOURAGE POSITIVE RESULTS, SPEAKER.
THANK YOU. » THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR LAYTON.
» LISTEN, I DON’T KNOW ABOUT YOU AND MANY OF YOU CLEARLY ARE
ON A DIFFERENT SIDE OF THIS THAN ME. I AM SO — I’M ACTUALLY
GETTING SICK OF HEARING EXCUSES FOR WHY THE PROVINCE IS DOING
THIS TO US. THERE WAS AN EXPANSION PLAN FOR THE NUMBER OF
SPACES AND THE NUMBER OF SUBSIDIES IN ORDER FOR US TO
ELIMINATE THE WAIT LISTS OF 17,000 FAMILIES, AND IN ORDER
FOR US TO SERVE ONLY HALF, 50% OF KIDS IN OUR CITY WITH
LICENSED CHILD CARE. WE HAD A PLAN. WE HAD WORKED IN
CONJUNCTION WITH OUR PROVINCIAL PARKING LOT NURSE. — PARTNERS.
AND THEN THIS GOVERNMENT CAME IN AND CHANGED THAT PLAN. AND HOW
DID THEY CHANGE IT? WELL THEY DECIDED TO HOLD US HOSTAGE OVER
SOME SPACE EXPANSION WHEN THEY KNEW WE COULDN’T COMPLY EARLIER
IN THE SUMMER. AND THEN WE HAD TO FIGHT TO GET THEM TO BACK
OFF. AND NOW THEY’RE CHANGING THE FORMULA THAT WE HAVE TO PAY
THAT’S DOWNLOADING THE COST ONTO US PERFORM WE DON’T KNOW IF THE
CONTINUED THIS STOPGAP MEASURE, THIS BAND AID MEASURE IS GOING
TO LAST PAST THIS YEAR. AROUND YOU HEARD FROM STAFF IF
WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE ALONG TO ELIMINATE THIS WAIT LIST,
WHICH I HOPE WE WILL DO, IT’S GOING TO COST US $150 MILLION. A 6% INCREASE OVER TEN YEARS
JUST FOR THIS CHILD CARE FILE. SO I DON’T WANT TO HEAR THAT OH TIMES ARE TOUGH AT THE
PROVINCE WHEN THEY HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH US.
WE STARTED TO EXECUTE IT, AND THEN THEY CHANGE THE RULES YET
AGAIN. YOU KNOW WHAT, WE PASS MOTION AFTER MOTION, COUNCIL
STANDS UP, OUR MAYOR STANDS UP BRAVELY SAYING THE PROVINCE
SHOULDN’T BE DOING THIS BUT THEN HIS DEPUTY MAYOR, DEPUTY MAYOR
MINNAN-WONG JUST GOT UP AND JUST ABOUT PADDED THE PROVINCE ON THE
BACK FOR TRYING TO BALANCE THEIR BOOKS BASED ON DOWNLOADING THE
COST OF CHILD CARE ONTO THE CITY. PALLETED HIM — PATTED
HIM ON THE BACK. WHEN WE’RE TRYING TO MAKE A STATEMENT OF A
CITY — I KNOW THE MAYOR WENT OUT TO CHILD CARE CENTRES TRYING TO WORK TO SHAPE
THE PUBLIC NARRATIVE THAT THIS ISN’T SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE
DOWNLOADED ONTO THE CITY OR WORSE YET THAT WE’RE FORCED TO
CHOOSE BETWEEN ONE THING AND ACTUALLY FUNDING CHILD CARE FOR
OUR KIDS WHICH IS A DECISION WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE WHEN
THAT BUDGET ROLLS AROUND AND IT’S NOT BALANCING ITSELF OUT,
BUT THEN DEPARTMENT TEE MAYOR MINNAN-WONG GOES OUT AND SHIFTS
THAT NARRATIVE TO WELL THEY HAD TO DO IT, THEY HAD NO OTHER
CHOICE. WE’RE WORKING AT CROSS PURPOSES HERE. WE HAVE ONE
DEPARTMENT TEE MAYOR SAYING WE’VE GOT TO FIGHT FOR OUR KIDS
AND ANOTHER DEPUTY MAYOR SAYING WELL LET THE PROVINCE CUT
WHATEVER THEY WANT. » THANK YOU. OKAY IF WE CAN PUT THE MOTION ON
THE SCREEN. » [AWAY FROM MIC].
» OKAY. SORRY. MAYOR TORY TO SPEAK.
» JUST IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT COUNCILLOR LAYTON’S MOST RECENT
COMMENTS A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE ROLES OF 2 DEPUTY MAYORS.
MAY I JUST SAY I — I THINK WE’VE MADE GREAT PROGRESS ON
THIS AND I THINK THAT WAS ACKNOWLEDGED BY EVERYBODY AND
EVEN ON THE WEEKEND SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE, YOU
KNOW, I SAW COUNCILLOR CRESSY SAYING WE SHOULDN’T BE TALKING
ABOUT WHETHER WE ACCEPT ANY REDUCTIONS. I THINK IN RESPONSE
TO COUNCILLOR LAYTON’S REMARKS JUST NOW THROUGH YOU, MADAM
SPEAKER, MY SENSE IS WE’RE FIGHTING WHEN WE HAVE TO FIGHT.
AND CERTAINLY I’VE TRIED TO SORT OF CALIBRATE THAT. I THINK THE
SECRET OF TRYING TO MAKE PROGRESS WITH THIS GOVERNMENT OR
WITH ANY GOVERNMENT, BUT I THINK WITH THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR.
AND I THINK THE THINGS ARE HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
I THINK WE SOMETIMES FORGET THAT THE POINT AT WHICH WE CAN ALL BE
ABSOLUTELY UNITED, I BELIEVE, IS REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEIR
FINANCIAL PROBLEMS AND REGARDLESS OF THE FACT — I
AGREE WITH YOU, WE DID HAVE AN AGREEMENT IT WAS A PLAN THAT WAS
STRETCHING OUT OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEMS.
THE QUESTION REALLY IS I THINK WE CAN ALL FIGHT HARD ON
TOGETHER IS THAT NO GOVERNMENT, NO GOVERNMENT FEDERALLY, NO
GOVERNMENT PROVINCIALLY SHOULD BE TRYING TO DOWNLOAD
RESPONSIBILITY FOR SOCIAL PROGRAMS ONTO THE PROPERTY TAX
BASE BECAUSE IT CAN’T SUSTAIN THAT. WE’VE ALWAYS KNOWN THAT,
EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT. THEY KNOW THAT. IT WAS NOT INTENDED
ACTUALLY TO BE THE CASE. SO I THINK THAT IS THE REAL GROUND
234 WHICH WE HAVE TO PUT FORWARD OUR CASE HERE REGARDLESS OF WHAT
GOVERNMENT IS THERE AND WHAT THEIR FINANCIAL PROBLEMS ARE,
THAT YOU KNOW, THEY’RE QUICK TO REMIND US OF WHAT THEIR
CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITIES ARE WHEN IT SUITS THEM TO EXERCISE
THOSE. AND I MEAN ANY PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT WE FOUND
THAT OUT WITH THE ROAD TOLLS FOR EXAMPLE. AND THEY WHEN THEY CHOOSE TO DO
SO EXERCISED THEIR POWER TO SAY NO. BUT WHEN IT COMES — TO SAY YES TO THEIR
RESPONSIBILITIES UNDER THE VERY SAME CONSTITUTION FOR THESE
KINDS OF SOCIAL PROGRAMS THEY END UP DOING THINGS THAT IN
EFFECT SAY IF YOU WANT IT YOU PAY FOR IT YOURSELF YOU MEANING
PROPERTY TAXPAYERS. THAT’S THE REAL FIGHTING GROUND HERE.
LET’S MAKE SURE AS A CITY COUNCIL THAT WE DON’T GET SUCKED
INTO DIVIDING OURSELVES, THE FACT THAT WE’VE REMAINED UNITED
ON TRANSIT, HELPED US TO ACHIEVE PROGRESS — BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO GO
ABOUT TRYING TO RESOLVE THIS ISSUE IN A WAY THAT HAS WORKED
SO FAR. AND BELIEVE YOU ME, I THINK YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THEY
NOW KNOW THAT IF I AS THE MAYOR AND WORKING WITH THE COUNCIL
HAVE TO STAND UP AND FIGHT WE’LL DO THAT. BUT I THINK IN THE
MEANTIME ADVOCACY AND ESPECIALLY ADVOCACY THESE THINGS ARE
PRINCIPALLY THE BEST WAY FOR US TO GO AND CONTINUE TOO THAT.
THANK YOU. » THANK YOU. IF WE CAN PUT THE MOTION ON THE
SCREEN. OKAY.
MOTION ON THE SCREEN. RECORDED VOTE. » KARYGIANNIS KARYGIANNIS,
PLEASE. » COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM, PLEASE. » THE MOTION CARRIES
UNANIMOUSLY 22 IN FAVOR. » ITEM AS AMENDED RECORDED
VOTE. » COUNCILLOR CRAWFORD, PLEASE,
COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM, PLEASE. » THE ITEM AS AMENDED CARRIES
UNANIMOUSLY 23 IN FAVOR. » OKAY. THANK YOU. SO WHY DO I HAVE NAMES ON THE
SCREEN? » [AWAY FROM MIC]
» WHAT’S THAT FOR? » [AWAY FROM MIC].
» COUNCILLOR KARYGIANNIS,. » [AWAY FROM MIC]. » I CAN’T WIPE IT OUT. YOU HAVE
TO WIPE IT OUT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. COUNCILLOR BAILÃO.
» THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER. I ACTUALLY WOULD JUST LIKE TO
ACKNOWLEDGE AND WELCOME CITY COUNCILLOR FROM PORTUGAL [INDISCERNIBLE] SHE’S HERE
VISITING US. WELCOME TO TORONTO. SHE JUST ARRIVED
YESTERDAY. IF YOU’RE INTO SURFING YOU
REALLY KNOW ABOUT THE WAVES. SURFED A WAVE OF 23 METERS, ONE
OF THE BIGGEST ONES AND SHE’S HERE VISITING THE COMMUNITY AND
PARTICIPATING IN SOME EVENTS. THANK YOU, WELCOME.
» [APPLAUSE]. » THANK YOU. OKAY. SO WE CAN GO TO THE QUICK
RELEASE THAT WE WERE DOING EARLIER EX9.4, COUNCILLOR
PASTERNAK, YOUR AMENDMENT. » YES, THANK YOU. THANK YOU,
MADAM SPEAKER. THE CHALLENGE WITH THIS PROJECT
ON THE LIST IS THAT THE VISION BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS
THAT IT BE ON FEDERAL LANDS AND IT’S CREATING —
» WE’RE DOING A QUICK ITEM. » RIGHT. SO I’M JUST ASKING
FOR A WORKING GROUP TO DISCUSS THE PROJECT SHOULD IT BE FUNDED.
» OKAY. AND THEN IF YOU CAN PUT MY
AMENDMENT ON THE SCREEN. SO ON COUNCILLOR PASTERNAK’S
AMENDMENT ALL IN FAVOR? CARRIED. THE AMENDMENT ALL IN
FAVOR? CARRIED. ITEM AS AMENDED RECORDED VOTE. » COUNCILLOR LOYALTY WHEN
YOU’RE SEATED, PLEASE, COUNCILLOR BRADFORD, COUNCILLOR
MATLOW. » NOW, WERE THERE MEMBERS OF
COUNCIL THAT INDICATED THEY WANTED TO GO IN CAMERA ABOUT THE
AUDIT? NOBODY. » [AWAY FROM MIC]. » OKAY COUNCILLOR FILION, OKAY.
YEAH, YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF PREPARE OURSELVES. » THE ITEM AS AMENDED CARRIES
UNANIMOUSLY 22 IN FAVOR. » OKAY. SO COUNCILLOR FILION WANTS TO GO
IN CAMERA. DO WE HAVE THE MOTION? OKAY IS ON WHICH ITEM,
COUNCILLOR FILION? ALL OF THEM? I’M SORRY, I CAN’T HEAR YOU.
» [AWAY FROM MIC] ITEM 1 FOR IN CAMERA. WELL, I’M FINE WITH 2
AND — MAYBE WE SHOULD SURE, LET’S MAKE IT 1, 2, 3 IN CASE,
IN CASE. » ALL RIGHT. SO WE’LL PREPARE
THE MOTION. OKAY COUNCILLOR FILION, CAN YOU
READ THE MOTION? » I CAN IF I HAVE IT TO READ. » I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE THE
MOTION. » IT’S RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU.
» IT’S RIGHT THERE. » OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT
COUNSEL RECESS ITS PUBLIC SESSION TO MEET AS A COMMITTEE
AS A BOLE IN CLOSED SESSION TO CONSIDER AUDIT 4.1, READ THE
WHOLE THING OUT? » YEP.
» CYBER SECURITY PROGRAM NEEDED TO MITIGATE CURRENT AND EMERGING
THREATS, REASONS FOR CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION AND
SAFETY AND SECURITY OF PROPERTY BELONGING TO THE CITY FOR ONE OF
ITS AGENCES I THINK CORPORATIONS AND YOU HAD DOES IT 4.2
INVESTIGATION INTO ALLEGATIONS OF REPRISAL, NOT FOUND BUT
LESSONS LEARNED REASONS FOR CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION,
SECURITY OF PROPERTY BELONGING TO THE CITY OF TORONTO, PERSONAL
MATTERS ABOUT AN IDENTIFIABLE PERSON IN LITIGATION OR
POTENTIAL LITIGATION THAT AFFECTS THE CITY OF TORONTO.
ITEM 4.3 AUDITOR GENERAL’S 2019, STATUS REPORT ON OUTSTANDING
AUDIT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CITY DIVISIONS AND CORPORATE SERVICES
AND FINANCE AND TREASURY SERVICES. REASON FOR
CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION THE SECURITY OF THE PROPERTY OF THE
MUNICIPALITY OR LOCAL BOARD, LABOUR RELATIONS OR EMPLOYEE
NEGOTIATIONS AND LITIGATION OR POTENTIAL LITIGATION THAT
AFFECTS THE CITY OF TORONTO. SO IF I COULD ASK THE MEMBERS IN
THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS FROM THE PUBLIC OR ALL STAFF THAT ARE NOT ON THIS ITEM, TO PLEASE VACATE
THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS INCLUDING THE MEDIA. : » THANK YOU, CITY COUNCIL PLEAT
ITS CLOSED SESSION. NO MOTION WERE MADE IN CLOSED SESSION. WE
WILL NOW PROCEED TO THE PUBLIC. WELL, COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY, WE
ONLY HAVE A FEW MINUTES. » THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER, I
WILL BE VERY BRIEF. I’LL THANK MADAM AUDITOR AND HER TEAM AND
CITY STAFF. THEY’VE DONE GREAT WORK. I DO HAVE A MOTION TO
PLACE. [READING] AND I WOULD HOPE THAT THIS SENDS
A VERY STRONG SIGNAL TO EVERYBODY THAT’S OBSERVING AND
INCLUDING THE AMOUNT TIME WE SPENT IN CAMERA THAT CITY
COUNCIL TAKES THIS MATTER VERY SERIOUSLY. AND I LOOK FORWARD
TO CONTINUED WORK ON THIS, THANK YOU.
» THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR FILION.
» YES, QUICKLY I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE AUDITOR GENERAL AND
OTHER SERIES OF OUTSTANDING ALTHOUGH HIGHLY TROUBLING
REPORTS. I DO THINK WE’RE TURNING THE CORNER HERE. I
MEAN, WHAT ALL OF THESE REPORTS POINT TO IS THAT — A FAIRLY
SEVERE LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY IN THE SYSTEM. I DO THINK WE ARE
STARTING TO PUT IN PLACE A MUCH BETTER SYSTEM FOR
ACCOUNTABILITY, BOTH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE EXTREMELY DILIGENT
AUDITOR GENERAL. I THINK THE CITY MANAGER IS YOU KNOW, HIGHLY
MOTIVATED TO INSERT MORE ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE SYSTEM,
AND THE AUDIT COMMITTEE REALLY IS DOING EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT
WORK UNDER STEVEN HOLYDAY’S LEADERSHIP. SO I THINK THE
PUBLIC CAN FEEL REASSURED EVEN THOSE THESE EXAMPLES WHEN THEY
HIT THE PAPER ARE HIGHLY EMBARRASSING AND MAKES IT LOOK
LIKE WE’RE WASTING MONEY VERY FREELY HERE. WHAT IN FACT, WE
ARE DOING IS WE’RE CATCHING ALL THOSE AND CORRECTING THEM.
THANKS. » THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR PERRUZZA, QUICKLY
BECAUSE WE HAVE TO — » SPEAKER AS QUICK AS I CAN GET
TO IT. I’M NOT GOING TO MOVE A MOTION
HERE, BUT I BELIEVE THAT AS I — AS I YOU KNOW, TURN MY
MIND TO TECHNOLOGY AND THE SIZE OF TECHNOLOGY AND NOT JUST
CYBERSECURITY, YOU KNOW, THE CONSTANTLY EVOLVING AND CHANGING
TECHNOLOGY, AND NEW EQUIPMENT, AND SOFTWARE, AND THE AMOUNTS OF MONIES THAT BETTER
EXPENDED IN THIS AREA, I BELIEVE THAT THERE HAS TO BE TO BE A
POLITICAL, YOU KNOW, DIVISION OR ACCOUNTABILITY SECTION. AND I
DON’T KNOW WHETHER THAT TAKES A FORM OF A SUB COMMITTEE OR A
FULL STANDING COMMITTEE OF COUNCIL THAT MEETS ON A REGULAR
BASIS, BUT THAT ALSO IN SOME WAYS HOLDS THE DIVISION
ACCOUNTABLE, BUT ALSO PROVIDES THE RESOURCES THAT ARE REQUIRED
TO BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE SOME OF THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES THAT
WE’RE ALL STRIING FOR. IT’S NOT JUST SIMPLY ENOUGH TO
PUNT THE FOOTBALL TO STAFF AND THEN LOOK TO THE AUDITOR GENERAL
EVERY 2 OR 3 OR 4 YEARS AND SAY HAVE THEY DONE A GOOD JOB JOB OR
HAVE THEY DONE A BAD JOB. THAT’S NOT THE WAY THAT THIS
SHOULD WORK. AND IT’S NEVER GOING TO WORK THAT WAY QUITE
FRANKLY. SO THIS IS FAR TOO IMPORTANT, AN AREA OF
GOVERNANCE, AND FAR TOO BIG IN TERMS OF MONEY AND FAR TOO
FAST IN TERMS OF CHANGES, AND CONSTANT CHANGES, LICENSES, AND
EQUIPMENT, AND, YOU KNOW, FINDING THAT ONE DIVISION’S GOT
SOME LICENSE NOT ACHIEVING EFFICIENCIES IN TERMS OF HOW YOU
SPEND MONEY ON TECHNOLOGY. AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS JUST SIMPLY
BECAUSE WE DON’T HAVE THE TIME TO FOCUS IN ON IT IN THE WAY
THAT WE SHOULD. I WANT TO THANK THE AUDITOR FOR THE REPORT. AND
I WANT TO THANK HER FOR HAVING CAUSED THIS. YOU KNOW, A MOMENT
OF REFLECTION IN AN AREA THAT’S FAR, FAR TOO IMPORTANT FOR US TO
JUST SIMPLY PUNT IT OFF TO SOMEONE ELSE TO DO. WE NEED TO
GET INVOLVED IN THIS AREA. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
» THANK YOU. MOTION BY COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY ALL IN FAVOR?
CARRIED. ITEM AS AMENDED ALL IN FAVOR? CARRIED. SO WE COMPLETE
AU4.1, COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RELEASE 2 AND 3? .
» HAPPY TO RELEASE THOSE ITEMS. » OKAY. .
» ON AU4.2 ALL IN FAVOR? CARRIED. AU4.3 —
» [AWAY FROM MIC]. » PARDON?
» [AWAY FROM MIC]. » ON 3. OKAY. RECORDED VOTE
ON 3. » COUNCILLOR PERRUZZA, PLEASE,
AND MAYOR TORY, PLEASE. » THE ITEM IS ADOPTED
UNANIMOUSLY 20 IN FAVOR. . » THANK YOU. RECESS TO 2:00.

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